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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-44671</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to bang on about this but I did a simple update as requested by Ubuntu and the machine refused to boot. I&#039;ve been using Windows since 286 days and that has never happened once. How would your mother have dealt with that? I&#039;ve never been convinced by the Mac argument, my tech-clueless Da has run XP for several years and the only hassle he ever had was with McAfee anti-virus which I solved over the phone.

On the other side, my experiences with Vista on a laptop are actually far worse than those on Ubuntu. Constant constant problems particularly with video drivers and file permissions. I really wanted to love Vista but for the first time since I&#039;ve started using Windows I&#039;ll be reverting to an older version and putting XP back on it.

I tried a the recent Beta of Ubuntu 8 on three different machines in the past few weeks. It got stuck booting at different points on all of them. I really hope they have sorted out those issues before the full launch this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to bang on about this but I did a simple update as requested by Ubuntu and the machine refused to boot. I&#8217;ve been using Windows since 286 days and that has never happened once. How would your mother have dealt with that? I&#8217;ve never been convinced by the Mac argument, my tech-clueless Da has run XP for several years and the only hassle he ever had was with McAfee anti-virus which I solved over the phone.</p>
<p>On the other side, my experiences with Vista on a laptop are actually far worse than those on Ubuntu. Constant constant problems particularly with video drivers and file permissions. I really wanted to love Vista but for the first time since I&#8217;ve started using Windows I&#8217;ll be reverting to an older version and putting XP back on it.</p>
<p>I tried a the recent Beta of Ubuntu 8 on three different machines in the past few weeks. It got stuck booting at different points on all of them. I really hope they have sorted out those issues before the full launch this week.</p>
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		<title>By: Aijalyn Kohler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aijalyn Kohler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice opinion on a &quot;typical&quot; Ubuntu install, but I think the &quot;it&#039;s not right for your mother&quot; thing has been overdone. Honestly, any version of MS Windows is not right for your (non-technical) mother, unless it came with tech support or you&#039;re providing it. My mother has been using Ubuntu for two years now and it works better for her than XP did, as she can install whatever programs she needs via the installer. OS X might be better for most people&#039;s mothers than either GNU/Linux or MS Windows, but the price outlay makes it a bit of an overkill for mom&#039;s email and photo-sharing when compared to a Dell Ubuntu box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice opinion on a &#8220;typical&#8221; Ubuntu install, but I think the &#8220;it&#8217;s not right for your mother&#8221; thing has been overdone. Honestly, any version of MS Windows is not right for your (non-technical) mother, unless it came with tech support or you&#8217;re providing it. My mother has been using Ubuntu for two years now and it works better for her than XP did, as she can install whatever programs she needs via the installer. OS X might be better for most people&#8217;s mothers than either GNU/Linux or MS Windows, but the price outlay makes it a bit of an overkill for mom&#8217;s email and photo-sharing when compared to a Dell Ubuntu box.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30252</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll still keep fiddling to get the mic working. It&#039;s also still my primary desktop and most of the time things are fine. But I&#039;m doing a lot of screenshots at the minute and finding the workflow very clunky compared to SnagIt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll still keep fiddling to get the mic working. It&#8217;s also still my primary desktop and most of the time things are fine. But I&#8217;m doing a lot of screenshots at the minute and finding the workflow very clunky compared to SnagIt.</p>
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		<title>By: Donncha O Caoimh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donncha O Caoimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately &quot;common Dell hardware&quot; isn&#039;t always supported very well. I&#039;m not sure who is to blame, but it might be because some of the h/ware needs an NDA and/or licensing fees for developers to work on drivers for it.

I had an awful time getting my &lt;a href=&quot;http://ocaoimh.ie/2007/10/19/ubuntu-gutsy-on-the-dell-latitude-d630/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dell D630&lt;/a&gt; working properly, but eventually the problems worked themselves out. It was worth it. Ubuntu works perfectly now. I never had the problems you did with Skype.

I vaguely remember trying to get an early version of  XP running on a brand new box with stinking new SATA drives. That was sheer hell.

Hope you come back to using Linux, once it&#039;s familiar territory you won&#039;t go back! (probably:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately &#8220;common Dell hardware&#8221; isn&#8217;t always supported very well. I&#8217;m not sure who is to blame, but it might be because some of the h/ware needs an NDA and/or licensing fees for developers to work on drivers for it.</p>
<p>I had an awful time getting my <a href="http://ocaoimh.ie/2007/10/19/ubuntu-gutsy-on-the-dell-latitude-d630/" rel="nofollow">Dell D630</a> working properly, but eventually the problems worked themselves out. It was worth it. Ubuntu works perfectly now. I never had the problems you did with Skype.</p>
<p>I vaguely remember trying to get an early version of  XP running on a brand new box with stinking new SATA drives. That was sheer hell.</p>
<p>Hope you come back to using Linux, once it&#8217;s familiar territory you won&#8217;t go back! (probably:)</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30118</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Andy. We run our webapp on CentOS for that very reason.

I just tried gOS on the old laptop. CD wouldn&#039;t even boot. Ubuntu alt-ISO next I guess.

I may have to eat crow for one of my comments tho. I&#039;ve just spent the past two days trying to get Office 2007 to install on Vista. I&#039;m currently stuck and thinking about reverting my travel laptop to XP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Andy. We run our webapp on CentOS for that very reason.</p>
<p>I just tried gOS on the old laptop. CD wouldn&#8217;t even boot. Ubuntu alt-ISO next I guess.</p>
<p>I may have to eat crow for one of my comments tho. I&#8217;ve just spent the past two days trying to get Office 2007 to install on Vista. I&#8217;m currently stuck and thinking about reverting my travel laptop to XP!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Goss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Goss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conor. I have had difficulties with getting the mic to work on every distro I have ever used. I have always won in the end, but I can never remember how the next time! I have always used plain box PCs from my local computer shop.

I have recently moved from Kubuntu 6.06 to Debian Etch with KDE, and it is excellent, apart from not talking to my camera, I have to go back to Kubuntu for that. I don&#039;t ask as much of my distro as you do, but if you are looking for a workhorse then you would be better off with Debian or CentOS than the &quot;wobbly edge&quot; distros like Ubuntu and Fedora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conor. I have had difficulties with getting the mic to work on every distro I have ever used. I have always won in the end, but I can never remember how the next time! I have always used plain box PCs from my local computer shop.</p>
<p>I have recently moved from Kubuntu 6.06 to Debian Etch with KDE, and it is excellent, apart from not talking to my camera, I have to go back to Kubuntu for that. I don&#8217;t ask as much of my distro as you do, but if you are looking for a workhorse then you would be better off with Debian or CentOS than the &#8220;wobbly edge&#8221; distros like Ubuntu and Fedora.</p>
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		<title>By: mtz</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30052</link>
		<dc:creator>mtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mr. bogus ..
you have said(taking important pieces):
&quot;....Hardware support is not where it should be. ...Too many Linux advocates gloss over the real problems, pretending they don’t exist, or that it’s someone’s own ignorance at fault. This is a mistake. Linux still has a long way to go, and we won’t get anywhere unless we accept this and make an effort to change it.&quot;

what is the real problem? ..hardware support is not where it should be, i agree, and i have said that in my previous post ..who is at fault for this? i know the end user will not care about this ..but since this post in about educating and interest the general public what linux is ..also mentioning why hardware support is as lacking as its currently is i think will do more that just listing one failed hardware after another.

&quot;I am currently on a 5 year old HP running Linux which has no sound. ALSA says it supports my audio chip, but for some reason, I’ve yet to find a distro that will detect it.&quot;

how many distros have you tried? try PCLinuxOS or mepis ..like i said linux hardware support isnt perfect, its a miss and hit, if one distro doesnt like your hardware, try another one ..whose fault is it? linux should bear some of it but most of it should go the the manufacturers and i think the author should have acknowledge the effort linux kernel devs put in reverse engineering this devices to work properly ..

..there are devices that are known not to work and no development is planned for them because they arent in circulation anymore and they are on their way out, blotting the kernel for them isnt worth it ..maybe your device is in that list(my PCMCIA wireless card was, that how i know this) ..have you checked the status of your card? ...you could be waiting for something that will never ship ..

another problem with linux is lack of consistency as a result of having two popular toolkits, gtk(gnome) and qt(kde) ..

ubuntu is not the only linux distro, ubuntu has never liked my hardware, i use pclinuxos because i didnt have do anything to configure what i have ..i am sure somebody else could say the same thing but in reverse ...if one distro doesnt work for you, try another one ...

checkout distrowatch.com/ ..you could try the ones at the top 

solution? stick with apps from your DE/toolkit of your choice ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mr. bogus ..<br />
you have said(taking important pieces):<br />
&#8220;&#8230;.Hardware support is not where it should be. &#8230;Too many Linux advocates gloss over the real problems, pretending they don’t exist, or that it’s someone’s own ignorance at fault. This is a mistake. Linux still has a long way to go, and we won’t get anywhere unless we accept this and make an effort to change it.&#8221;</p>
<p>what is the real problem? ..hardware support is not where it should be, i agree, and i have said that in my previous post ..who is at fault for this? i know the end user will not care about this ..but since this post in about educating and interest the general public what linux is ..also mentioning why hardware support is as lacking as its currently is i think will do more that just listing one failed hardware after another.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am currently on a 5 year old HP running Linux which has no sound. ALSA says it supports my audio chip, but for some reason, I’ve yet to find a distro that will detect it.&#8221;</p>
<p>how many distros have you tried? try PCLinuxOS or mepis ..like i said linux hardware support isnt perfect, its a miss and hit, if one distro doesnt like your hardware, try another one ..whose fault is it? linux should bear some of it but most of it should go the the manufacturers and i think the author should have acknowledge the effort linux kernel devs put in reverse engineering this devices to work properly ..</p>
<p>..there are devices that are known not to work and no development is planned for them because they arent in circulation anymore and they are on their way out, blotting the kernel for them isnt worth it ..maybe your device is in that list(my PCMCIA wireless card was, that how i know this) ..have you checked the status of your card? &#8230;you could be waiting for something that will never ship ..</p>
<p>another problem with linux is lack of consistency as a result of having two popular toolkits, gtk(gnome) and qt(kde) ..</p>
<p>ubuntu is not the only linux distro, ubuntu has never liked my hardware, i use pclinuxos because i didnt have do anything to configure what i have ..i am sure somebody else could say the same thing but in reverse &#8230;if one distro doesnt work for you, try another one &#8230;</p>
<p>checkout distrowatch.com/ ..you could try the ones at the top </p>
<p>solution? stick with apps from your DE/toolkit of your choice ..</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30020</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I saw mention of that recently. Makes total sense as it&#039;s all about online apps. I&#039;ll check it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I saw mention of that recently. Makes total sense as it&#8217;s all about online apps. I&#8217;ll check it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30019</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give gOS a go for your old laptop. It&#039;s also Ubuntu based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give gOS a go for your old laptop. It&#8217;s also Ubuntu based.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30012</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately not easily solved. Tried all suggested solutions on forums (most of which along the lines you suggest) and it just looks like ALSA has problems with Intel Audio. Will keep fiddling with tick-boxes and levels and front panel vs rear panel etc but so far no joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately not easily solved. Tried all suggested solutions on forums (most of which along the lines you suggest) and it just looks like ALSA has problems with Intel Audio. Will keep fiddling with tick-boxes and levels and front panel vs rear panel etc but so far no joy.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-30003</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking only of the audio capture problem, which I presume you were referring to when you said that your microphone wasn&#039;t working, that&#039;s easily solved.

Open up volume control, go to switches, and tick the box next to enable microphone capture. If the option isn&#039;t there, go to preferences and look for it, then add it. I admit it took me a bit of fiddling to find that out, but now skype mostly works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking only of the audio capture problem, which I presume you were referring to when you said that your microphone wasn&#8217;t working, that&#8217;s easily solved.</p>
<p>Open up volume control, go to switches, and tick the box next to enable microphone capture. If the option isn&#8217;t there, go to preferences and look for it, then add it. I admit it took me a bit of fiddling to find that out, but now skype mostly works.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-29992</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, hadn&#039;t spotted that ISO. Great tip, thanks. Laptop only has 192MB. Should support 512MB but none of the SODIMMs I have tried will work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, hadn&#8217;t spotted that ISO. Great tip, thanks. Laptop only has 192MB. Should support 512MB but none of the SODIMMs I have tried will work.</p>
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		<title>By: ollesbrorsa</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-29991</link>
		<dc:creator>ollesbrorsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought on the 7 year old lappy... Have you tried the alternate iso that is recommended for install on low memory rigs? It has saved me a couple of times trying to get (x)ubuntu to install properly.

Br,
ollesbrorsa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought on the 7 year old lappy&#8230; Have you tried the alternate iso that is recommended for install on low memory rigs? It has saved me a couple of times trying to get (x)ubuntu to install properly.</p>
<p>Br,<br />
ollesbrorsa</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-29960</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or even worse, pre-pubescent Digg fanboys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or even worse, pre-pubescent Digg fanboys.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2008/01/27/two-weeks-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-29959</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. You know it&#039;s rubbish without reading it. I get the sense we have some Slashdot teens over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. You know it&#8217;s rubbish without reading it. I get the sense we have some Slashdot teens over here.</p>
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