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	<title>Comments on: Vodafone &#8211; Staring into the Abyss</title>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-70821</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s terrible behaviour by Vodafone. I expected to be refunded via my bill too but luckily the guy in Oyster just handed me a €50 note in the shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s terrible behaviour by Vodafone. I expected to be refunded via my bill too but luckily the guy in Oyster just handed me a €50 note in the shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-70737</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

The miserable sods (vodafone) did not repay me the price of the data modem (49.99) when I left it back (within the 10 days). Guy in shop took the package from me and told me &#039;That would be alright&#039;. I took this to mean that they would send my back the price of the modem when they checked it out etc. Two months later I got a bank statement showing a withdrawal for rent for the month (on the modem I was not using). The gobshits (vovafone folks) had not cancelled the contract. 
Phone customer services to see what the story was and they told my they would cancel contract and return money. Four months later nothing. Phoned again. Got back money for rental but not for the modem (49.99) as they said this was &#039;vodafone retails&#039; job to do. 
Went into shop to ask for money on the modem back. They calimed that I had already got the money back the day I handed the modem back which was not correct.
Robben ba&amp;*%&quot;)&amp;! (as we say down here).
The team leader at the customer services end suggested to call the police!!
LESSON:
Make sure you get money back for modem when left back if you are not going to keep it.
I intend to attempt phoing again but I shoud think it will be a waste of time.

Regards,
DM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>The miserable sods (vodafone) did not repay me the price of the data modem (49.99) when I left it back (within the 10 days). Guy in shop took the package from me and told me &#8216;That would be alright&#8217;. I took this to mean that they would send my back the price of the modem when they checked it out etc. Two months later I got a bank statement showing a withdrawal for rent for the month (on the modem I was not using). The gobshits (vovafone folks) had not cancelled the contract.<br />
Phone customer services to see what the story was and they told my they would cancel contract and return money. Four months later nothing. Phoned again. Got back money for rental but not for the modem (49.99) as they said this was &#8216;vodafone retails&#8217; job to do.<br />
Went into shop to ask for money on the modem back. They calimed that I had already got the money back the day I handed the modem back which was not correct.<br />
Robben ba&amp;*%&#8221;)&amp;! (as we say down here).<br />
The team leader at the customer services end suggested to call the police!!<br />
LESSON:<br />
Make sure you get money back for modem when left back if you are not going to keep it.<br />
I intend to attempt phoing again but I shoud think it will be a waste of time.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
DM</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-46076</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sorry, after 3 months both are €30 per month (or €40 on O2 if you are not already a customer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sorry, after 3 months both are €30 per month (or €40 on O2 if you are not already a customer).</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-46075</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dee, today I got both the Vodafone and O2 broadband modems (I&#039;ll return whichever one loses the face-off). So far it&#039;s been a mixed bag and I&#039;ll do a full blog post after more testing. 

The SIMs from both work in my Nokia N95-8GB. O2 3G does not work where I live (bad signal) but Vodafone does. Both work in Bandon town centre. Truphone Voice Over IP and Fring Instant Messenger both work perfectly on both. Qik video streaming works well on O2 and poorly on Vodafone. A quick test of file download on both showed approx .30 Mbs instead of 3 Mbs but I need to run more tests on that. 

Tomorrow I am going to test both on the train to/from Dublin. One in phone, the other in the modem and then reversed on the way back down. 

Vodafone is €49 for modem/SIM and then €15 each month for 3 months. O2 is €89 for modem/SIM and same monthly pricing. Vodafone has 5GB cap per month, O2 is 10GB. O2 provides a slightly better modem which will support 7.2Mbs whenever that is rolled out. More as I find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee, today I got both the Vodafone and O2 broadband modems (I&#8217;ll return whichever one loses the face-off). So far it&#8217;s been a mixed bag and I&#8217;ll do a full blog post after more testing. </p>
<p>The SIMs from both work in my Nokia N95-8GB. O2 3G does not work where I live (bad signal) but Vodafone does. Both work in Bandon town centre. Truphone Voice Over IP and Fring Instant Messenger both work perfectly on both. Qik video streaming works well on O2 and poorly on Vodafone. A quick test of file download on both showed approx .30 Mbs instead of 3 Mbs but I need to run more tests on that. </p>
<p>Tomorrow I am going to test both on the train to/from Dublin. One in phone, the other in the modem and then reversed on the way back down. </p>
<p>Vodafone is €49 for modem/SIM and then €15 each month for 3 months. O2 is €89 for modem/SIM and same monthly pricing. Vodafone has 5GB cap per month, O2 is 10GB. O2 provides a slightly better modem which will support 7.2Mbs whenever that is rolled out. More as I find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-45746</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)

Check out vodafone.ie - they are flogging off &quot;as new&quot; ones cheaply. I&#039;d almost go with O2 myself just to stick it to Voda. Note there is no relationship between your mobile phone account and any &quot;mobile broadband&quot; account. I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s because they are still running their billing on a PDP-11 or they can&#039;t get their head around data. In any case, it means you could get an O2 data SIM and put it in a Vodafone mobile if the mobile is unlocked. Generally you just have to ring Voda and ask for the phone to be unlocked. They didn&#039;t ask me why I wanted to do it (I did it to use a MAXRoam SIM whilst abroad), they just pointed out that I still was in contract with them.</description>
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<p>Check out vodafone.ie &#8211; they are flogging off &#8220;as new&#8221; ones cheaply. I&#8217;d almost go with O2 myself just to stick it to Voda. Note there is no relationship between your mobile phone account and any &#8220;mobile broadband&#8221; account. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s because they are still running their billing on a PDP-11 or they can&#8217;t get their head around data. In any case, it means you could get an O2 data SIM and put it in a Vodafone mobile if the mobile is unlocked. Generally you just have to ring Voda and ask for the phone to be unlocked. They didn&#8217;t ask me why I wanted to do it (I did it to use a MAXRoam SIM whilst abroad), they just pointed out that I still was in contract with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-45735</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great solution for me, thanks. I don&#039;t really care about the voice/SMS issue, as I carry another phone anyhow - I just want not to have to lug a laptop around all the time, and I just find phones too fiddly for browsing. But this solution will work when I want to travel with my laptop as well as with the N770. Brilliant!  But do I really have to ask for a &quot;sperm modem&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great solution for me, thanks. I don&#8217;t really care about the voice/SMS issue, as I carry another phone anyhow &#8211; I just want not to have to lug a laptop around all the time, and I just find phones too fiddly for browsing. But this solution will work when I want to travel with my laptop as well as with the N770. Brilliant!  But do I really have to ask for a &#8220;sperm modem&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-45719</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little poll to see who I should use to run the Voice over IP test: http://poll.fm/boup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little poll to see who I should use to run the Voice over IP test: <a href="http://poll.fm/boup" rel="nofollow">http://poll.fm/boup</a></p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-45712</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s possible to use the Vodafone Live APN when using a phone as a modem (either cabled to laptop or bluetoothed to N770) so you will always be shafted since it will use the ISP connection instead. The reason for this is that Live is a useless piece of 1990&#039;s CWAP (to use the technical term). 

Until Vodafone starts offering proper data plans to people with HSDPA phones, you cannot use them as modems. I see no sign of them or O2 offering this. I don&#039;t know whether it is due to the sort of bizarre business models that mobile telcos work under or good old fashioned incompetence.

The only option you have - and hilariously, O2 shops are telling people this - is to buy one of the sperm modems from Voda/O2/Three and put the SIM from it into your phone when you want to use it as a bluetooth modem. You&#039;ll obviously lose SMS and have to pay the extra mothly data charge (but it&#039;s less than €1000 per month!). I&#039;m tempted to try it and see if Truphone or Fring+Blueface voice will work over the data connection. If it does, then forward your mobile number to your VOIP number and you&#039;ll be sussed for calls too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s possible to use the Vodafone Live APN when using a phone as a modem (either cabled to laptop or bluetoothed to N770) so you will always be shafted since it will use the ISP connection instead. The reason for this is that Live is a useless piece of 1990&#8242;s CWAP (to use the technical term). </p>
<p>Until Vodafone starts offering proper data plans to people with HSDPA phones, you cannot use them as modems. I see no sign of them or O2 offering this. I don&#8217;t know whether it is due to the sort of bizarre business models that mobile telcos work under or good old fashioned incompetence.</p>
<p>The only option you have &#8211; and hilariously, O2 shops are telling people this &#8211; is to buy one of the sperm modems from Voda/O2/Three and put the SIM from it into your phone when you want to use it as a bluetooth modem. You&#8217;ll obviously lose SMS and have to pay the extra mothly data charge (but it&#8217;s less than €1000 per month!). I&#8217;m tempted to try it and see if Truphone or Fring+Blueface voice will work over the data connection. If it does, then forward your mobile number to your VOIP number and you&#8217;ll be sussed for calls too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-45711</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post -  v. illuminating for a non-techie like me. Found it after trying for three months to sort out this isp v vodafone live problem, while using my phone as a modem to connect with a nokia 770. Have been billed around €1000 in total, all credited eventually, but no sign of them actually being able to solve the problem. Yesterday they offered me 25MB a month for €15.99 instead of what I thought I was signing up for - 500MB for €9.99. I don&#039;t even want anything very complicated - just something to read on the train : (  Can anyone tell me is it possible to use your phone as a modem using the vodafone access point taking advantage of the €9.99 data add on? Just for a basic service? Customer service reps tell me something different every time I call. Now they&#039;ve just cut me off, but are saying they&#039;re holding me to the contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post &#8211;  v. illuminating for a non-techie like me. Found it after trying for three months to sort out this isp v vodafone live problem, while using my phone as a modem to connect with a nokia 770. Have been billed around €1000 in total, all credited eventually, but no sign of them actually being able to solve the problem. Yesterday they offered me 25MB a month for €15.99 instead of what I thought I was signing up for &#8211; 500MB for €9.99. I don&#8217;t even want anything very complicated &#8211; just something to read on the train : (  Can anyone tell me is it possible to use your phone as a modem using the vodafone access point taking advantage of the €9.99 data add on? Just for a basic service? Customer service reps tell me something different every time I call. Now they&#8217;ve just cut me off, but are saying they&#8217;re holding me to the contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-28236</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think that competing against the incumbents would be shooting fish in a barrel but it looks like 3 haven&#039;t even figured out which end of the gun to hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think that competing against the incumbents would be shooting fish in a barrel but it looks like 3 haven&#8217;t even figured out which end of the gun to hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-28235</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and it&#039;s not a handset issue. I caved and purchased a Nokia 6120 with my contract...same story re: blocking of anything but web and data over pre-approved 3 apps. It&#039;s not even a question of other apps being unsupported. They must be actively blocked for the results I have seen to be occuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and it&#8217;s not a handset issue. I caved and purchased a Nokia 6120 with my contract&#8230;same story re: blocking of anything but web and data over pre-approved 3 apps. It&#8217;s not even a question of other apps being unsupported. They must be actively blocked for the results I have seen to be occuring.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-28234</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signed up for a contract w/ 3 after the huge disappointment that was Vodafone pre-paid and they&#039;re just as bad. The x-series &#039;mobile internet&#039; package has not allowed me to access anything but web on the Nokia apps that came with my unlocked e90 or other 3rd party Symbian apps. The only non-web data services available are via custom 3 apps (such as their version of iSkoot/Skype). No Fring, no IM for Gtalk or AIM, no IMAP email via the Nokia messaging client (all fine via WLAN but won&#039;t connect via the 3 access point). Oh, and they censor web content. Tried to link to an article on Maxim online (trashy, I know, but hardly hardcore porn and something I actually wanted to read) and got a &#039;this web page is unavailable to view&#039; message. Customer service response &#039;that is adult content. We don&#039;t allow that on 3&#039;, yet the &#039;Planet 3&#039; homepage offers images of scantily clad &#039;babes&#039; to DL as phone wallpaper for €2...

Customer service is a disaster. Average 45 minute wait time. Technical support only fully staffed 9:00-22:00 weekdays. Even the supervisors obviously didn&#039;t understand the technical issues. Awaiting third callback from backend tech people in 3 days (first two never arrived). Lies and misinformation. Going to give them two more days to sort this out, then cancelling my contract (thankfully there&#039;s a 14 day back out period) and try o2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signed up for a contract w/ 3 after the huge disappointment that was Vodafone pre-paid and they&#8217;re just as bad. The x-series &#8216;mobile internet&#8217; package has not allowed me to access anything but web on the Nokia apps that came with my unlocked e90 or other 3rd party Symbian apps. The only non-web data services available are via custom 3 apps (such as their version of iSkoot/Skype). No Fring, no IM for Gtalk or AIM, no IMAP email via the Nokia messaging client (all fine via WLAN but won&#8217;t connect via the 3 access point). Oh, and they censor web content. Tried to link to an article on Maxim online (trashy, I know, but hardly hardcore porn and something I actually wanted to read) and got a &#8216;this web page is unavailable to view&#8217; message. Customer service response &#8216;that is adult content. We don&#8217;t allow that on 3&#8242;, yet the &#8216;Planet 3&#8242; homepage offers images of scantily clad &#8216;babes&#8217; to DL as phone wallpaper for €2&#8230;</p>
<p>Customer service is a disaster. Average 45 minute wait time. Technical support only fully staffed 9:00-22:00 weekdays. Even the supervisors obviously didn&#8217;t understand the technical issues. Awaiting third callback from backend tech people in 3 days (first two never arrived). Lies and misinformation. Going to give them two more days to sort this out, then cancelling my contract (thankfully there&#8217;s a 14 day back out period) and try o2.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-24708</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UK right? Don&#039;t think the deals are as good here. Also locked into 12 month contract on N95 with the VodaGougers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK right? Don&#8217;t think the deals are as good here. Also locked into 12 month contract on N95 with the VodaGougers</p>
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		<title>By: Mike HH</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-24703</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike HH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm....  

I&#039;d say ditch Vodafone and get an N series Nokia on an 02 account.  I&#039;ve been with 02 for 17 years and they&#039;re fine.

Then just get Fring for free - it works perfectly on SIP VOIP telephony,  MSN Messenger and MSN Telephony, ICQ, and Skype - and O2&#039;s 34MB data + 500 minute GSM deal only costs about £37.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say ditch Vodafone and get an N series Nokia on an 02 account.  I&#8217;ve been with 02 for 17 years and they&#8217;re fine.</p>
<p>Then just get Fring for free &#8211; it works perfectly on SIP VOIP telephony,  MSN Messenger and MSN Telephony, ICQ, and Skype &#8211; and O2&#8242;s 34MB data + 500 minute GSM deal only costs about £37.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.argolon.com/2007/12/23/vodafone-staring-into-the-abyss/comment-page-1/#comment-24494</link>
		<dc:creator>Conor O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 was supposed to be the first real competition in the oligopoly here. Unfortunately they haven&#039;t delivered on their potential at all. If they&#039;d provide reliability, cheap roaming and full 3.5G coverage then X-Series is what I&#039;d be on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 was supposed to be the first real competition in the oligopoly here. Unfortunately they haven&#8217;t delivered on their potential at all. If they&#8217;d provide reliability, cheap roaming and full 3.5G coverage then X-Series is what I&#8217;d be on.</p>
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